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Mary Matthews
12-Jul-2007, 03:10 PM
Took the puppies out at 7am only to discover a police car parked by the
woods that surround my townhouse complex (it's a rental). 2 seconds later
the puppies start viciously barking and I notice 2 teenagers dashing
between two sets of townhomes via the back patios (one set being mine).
Next thing I know an undercover cop is asking me if I've seen 2 men and,
not having my glasses on, I mention I saw 2 kids dash between the units
(nothing new for the out of control teens in our complex) and point out the
direction they went in. A minute later 2 police cars go zooming by (no
sirens or lights). A few more minutes later, as I'm updating a neighbor, a
police car goes by with a black kid in the back to one of the "ghetto"
families units (it's nothing to do with race...the other kid they were
looking for lives there and happens to be white). A couple more minutes go
by and the police cars start leaving so I go hop in the shower. 10 minutes
go by, I go out to the car to take one puppy to the vet (spay day for Kyra)
and run into a police officer standing to the side of my end neighbor's
(who's a nurse) unit. Turns out they brought in the K9 unit to track down
one of the kids. What they didn't know is that the kids, police officers,
and dogs were all trekking through a HUGE poison ivy infestation.

I take off for the vet's and drive by a squad car, and as is usual habit
whenever I see an officer, I wave as I drive by, only to notice too late,
that one of the kids is in the back of that squad car and taking careful
note of my vehicle. Now I have to watch out for slashed tires, broken
windows, general vandalism, theft, and possible physical injury (they beat
on an elderly man when he politely asked them to turn down the bass on
their car stereo.

Guess it's my weekend to go work on getting my CWP and find a gun. And to
think, I survived in Southern California for 37 years without ever owning a
gun....what a shame that Michigan is taking such a spiral.

D Hunter
12-Jul-2007, 04:00 PM
> Guess it's my weekend to go work on getting my
> CWP and find a gun. And to think, I survived
> in Southern California for 37 years without
> ever owning a gun....what a shame that Michigan
> is taking such a spiral.

Nothing beats a Kimber.


--
DHunter
Dealing with LUsers is like being nibbled to
death by ducks.

Tim Wohlford
12-Jul-2007, 04:02 PM
Yes, Michigan is indeed in a spiral. If I could move, I would. As it is,
I'm barely hanging on, and I don't see many prospects for improvement
anytime soon.

However...

One or two troublesome kids in an apartment complex will make it all seem
like you've moved to (name a crime-ridden neighborhood). The best you can
hope for is that these kids get sent away for a long time, at least long
enough that they mature past the point where most people stop committing
crimes.

I have been known to use my size -- 6'1", 210 pound -- to my advantage when
I lived in an apartment complex. Most of these "kids" don't have a dad, and
they are usually intimidated by a functional adult male. If they're not
intimidated, they there is a SERIOUS problem.....

In one case, I simple pulled a kid (13-14?) aside, and said we needed to
talk. I let the kid know (snicker) that if he felt uncomfortable with
talking to me one-on-one we could have this conversation with his parents
present (snicker) which of course he declined. Then I basically asked the
kid what they were thinking, and that I was fully prepared to take action
next time I heard that they were acting up again. And, I was pretty graphic
about life in prison too. While the kid was no angel, things did improve.

In another case, I simply pulled the kid (18?) aside, and said that I'd
heard that there was some drug dealin' going on in the complex. Yeah, I
knew who was doing it, and I was talking to him. I knew he was guilty when
he started calling me "sir". I just told him that I didn't want to live in
a crime-ridden neighborhood, and he agreed with that. I asked him to tell
me if he ever saw or heard anything... magically, the drug use moved
elsewhere after that.

The bottom line -- if the neighbors don't stand for criminal activity, it
won't happen. If nothing else, I'm betting that your complex has a rule
against residents who commit crimes while living there. If all else fails,
most of the time a letter to the management signed by a bunch of residents
asking for action is enough to get an eviction in Michigan (been there done
that).

Tim Wohlford

Mary Matthews
12-Jul-2007, 04:43 PM
Unfortunately we have Brookline Management (a.k.a "Brokeline", "Slumlord")
running our complex and it's more than 1 or 2 out of control teens. We
have a gang in operation now of about 30 kids...we did get rid of the 3am
drug dealer after a drive by shooting put the police in my line of site one
day and I advised them of the situation. The biggest problem is that these
gangs are too immature and the hit too many innocents. At least in Santa
Ana I could have a conversation with the local gang and get them to leave
my grandparent's block alone...a situation of stay out of my business,
leave the innocents along, and I'll stay out of your's worked wonders.

My puppies, at 5 1/2 months and 60 lbs. pretty much have the kids
sufficiently scared of accosting me directly. All the kids know is that
the dogs will bite them if they act mean to me, and some of the kids had
the honor of meeting my previous male, who would happily kill them for me.
That memory is still apparently fresh as they tell their friends to stay
away from my dogs. Plus the dogs now stand as tall as most of the teens
(Boomer's front feet can almost reach my shoulders now).

But with the leasing office not willing to do anything about their behavior
and moving in more Section 8 ghetto families to make more money, it won't
be getting better anytime soon. Luckily my hubby's a former semi-pro
lineman and at 6'5" and 370lbs. intimidates almost everyone at first
sight.

It's relatively easy for me to move out of state, but I really enjoy
working for the college and not ready to leave the job anytime soon.
Luckily, the orange grove is in escrow, so we're house hunting with a large
cash budget to buy a lakefront house or a place with acreage. And since
it's going to be sitting in a trust with no mortgage, it could easily sit
as a vacation house for the family when we do decide to move out of state
or be resold.

Of course, if my hubby decides to croak on me, I already know exactly where
I'm moving to...my best friend has a suite all ready for me in his house,
his partner's on board for me living there, and all the animals get to
come, so I'd be back off to California. And I'd be as spoiled rotten as my
hubby has me, so I'd be set. :)

The biggest problem is that the decent tenants are in the minority now, but
I'll bring up the idea to my neighbors (we're in minority row...being the
white, gay, and bi-racial couple area).

Mary Matthews
12-Jul-2007, 04:43 PM
My hubby wants to know if you know where he can find an M1919BAR...hope I
got that right.

Greg B
12-Jul-2007, 10:04 PM
Mary Matthews wrote:

> one of the kids. What they didn't know is that the kids, police officers,
> and dogs were all trekking through a HUGE poison ivy infestation.


haha


> note of my vehicle. Now I have to watch out for slashed tires, broken
> windows, general vandalism, theft, and possible physical injury (they beat
> on an elderly man when he politely asked them to turn down the bass on
> their car stereo.


Moral of the story, never waive to cops, unless of couse it is the tall
finger salute.

Tim Wohlford
13-Jul-2007, 03:06 PM
"I had to stand up for myself alone, and you saw what they did to me...
Until all men can stand up for what they believe in, THE SAME #$^%# THING
CAN HAPPEN TO ANY ONE OF YOU!" -- Buford Pusser


I'd rather lose my car... or my life... standing up as an adult in the face
of crime and evil, than shivering in fear as an old man. Perhaps that is a
personality flaw, but I believe that sometimes it's imporant to stand and
fight.


Tim Wohlford





"Greg B" <buchanan.nospam.greg@gmail.mapson.com> wrote in message
news:4Hwli.386$QE3.307@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Mary Matthews wrote:
>
> Moral of the story, never waive to cops, unless of couse it is the tall
> finger salute.

Mary Matthews
13-Jul-2007, 03:20 PM
I always wave, for a couple of reasons, one being out of respect for what
they do, and another being that I have family and friends on forces around
the country.

Greg B
13-Jul-2007, 03:56 PM
Mary Matthews wrote:
> I always wave, for a couple of reasons, one being out of respect for what
> they do,


Standing down waiting in safety in VT because they were too afraid to go
in, thats admirable!

Mary Matthews
13-Jul-2007, 04:23 PM
We just lost an officer on Monday who was responding to a domestic violence
call. First time in decades; there are currently over 100 police
departments here for his funereal - including a rep from Glasglow Scotland.


An estranged husband was hiding when the officer arrived for the DV call,
and like a coward, the idiot shot the officer while still hiding. Left a 3
year old girl an orphan and the psycho's family is trying to blame it on
binge drinking and that "he'd never hurt a fly"...riiiggghttt....then why
did the soon-to-be ex-wife have to have multiple PPOs against him and
there's a history of DV calls on the same guy that "wouldn't hurt a fly"?

Chris
13-Jul-2007, 05:04 PM
We just had an officer that shot his wife the other day then shot
himself she luckily lived and we had a fireman that shot 3 kids for
shooting off fireworks.

Mary Matthews wrote:
> We just lost an officer on Monday who was responding to a domestic violence
> call. First time in decades; there are currently over 100 police
> departments here for his funereal - including a rep from Glasglow Scotland.
>
>
> An estranged husband was hiding when the officer arrived for the DV call,
> and like a coward, the idiot shot the officer while still hiding. Left a 3
> year old girl an orphan and the psycho's family is trying to blame it on
> binge drinking and that "he'd never hurt a fly"...riiiggghttt....then why
> did the soon-to-be ex-wife have to have multiple PPOs against him and
> there's a history of DV calls on the same guy that "wouldn't hurt a fly"?