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OrangeBlossom
17-Jul-2007, 12:50 PM
My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.

Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...

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Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 12:59 PM
OrangeBlossom wrote:

> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...

Elves and gnomes.

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Jay Calderwood
17-Jul-2007, 01:04 PM
OrangeBlossom wrote:
> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.
>
> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...
>

Biometrics.... Card readers....armed guards... computer slang not to
say....

--
Jay Calderwood
http://jaycalderwood.blogspot.com

Quote: "I have worked HARD for everything I have. A beautiful family
which includes a beautiful Soon-to-be wife,
a bunch of beautiful healthy kids, 2 annoying pooches, and an occasional
Pooh Bear (silly ol' bear he is).
Like I said I worked hard for what I have and I'm not going to lose this
because this is what I always have wanted.
I need to remove those cancerous people from my life to keep what I
have, and I will. I'm tired of all
the backstabbing and deceit. This is my world, I created it, now it is
time to undo what I let happen. I will not turn back."

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Andrew Z Carpenter
17-Jul-2007, 01:20 PM
Blacklights and laserbeams.

Jay Calderwood
17-Jul-2007, 01:35 PM
Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:
> Blacklights and laserbeams.
>
>
Armed guards?

--
Jay Calderwood
http://jaycalderwood.blogspot.com

Quote: "I have worked HARD for everything I have. A beautiful family
which includes a beautiful Soon-to-be wife,
a bunch of beautiful healthy kids, 2 annoying pooches, and an occasional
Pooh Bear (silly ol' bear he is).
Like I said I worked hard for what I have and I'm not going to lose this
because this is what I always have wanted.
I need to remove those cancerous people from my life to keep what I
have, and I will. I'm tired of all
the backstabbing and deceit. This is my world, I created it, now it is
time to undo what I let happen. I will not turn back."

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Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 01:37 PM
Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:

> Blacklights and laserbeams.

Oooo... and a disco ball!

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Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Jay Calderwood
17-Jul-2007, 01:48 PM
Joseph Marton wrote:
> Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:
>
>> Blacklights and laserbeams.
>
> Oooo... and a disco ball!
>

And 80's Monster Ballads?

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Jay Calderwood
http://jaycalderwood.blogspot.com

Quote: "I have worked HARD for everything I have. A beautiful family
which includes a beautiful Soon-to-be wife,
a bunch of beautiful healthy kids, 2 annoying pooches, and an occasional
Pooh Bear (silly ol' bear he is).
Like I said I worked hard for what I have and I'm not going to lose this
because this is what I always have wanted.
I need to remove those cancerous people from my life to keep what I
have, and I will. I'm tired of all
the backstabbing and deceit. This is my world, I created it, now it is
time to undo what I let happen. I will not turn back."

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J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
17-Jul-2007, 02:01 PM
OrangeBlossom <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> wrote:
> Any cool suggestions?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/18/the_worlds_most_dangerous_server/
--
Ray Dassen
Technical Support Engineer, EMEA Services Center, Novell Technical Services
Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise http://www.novell.com/open

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 02:07 PM
Jay Calderwood wrote:

> And 80's Monster Ballads?

You don't know whatchya got... till it's gone.

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Mary Matthews
17-Jul-2007, 02:51 PM
Racks, lots of cooling power, a wine/beer fridge <BG>, raised flooring,
wide doors and ramps for hauling equipment in/out of there. Oh, an the
requisite big red "N" painted on the wall. ;)

Stevo
17-Jul-2007, 03:09 PM
OrangeBlossom scribbled something like:

> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type
> stuff...

large plasma lcd monitor (40" or more) for your shared console <G>

Brent Wolfe
17-Jul-2007, 03:25 PM
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--
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"


"OrangeBlossom " <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> wrote in message
news:A22ni.2771$QE3.1052@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.
>
> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...
>
> --
>

Tim Wohlford
17-Jul-2007, 03:31 PM
Take the number of BTUs that you think might be generated, calculate the
amount of cooling needed for those BTU's, and then triple the number for the
specs.

That way, your boss will store his/her beer/wine in that room, and they'll
actually insist that you keep it locked and cold.

Normally, this is where we laugh 'cuase I'm kidding, but this happened to me
at my last job (boss stored cases of soda pop) and to a client (law office,
storing of wine and beer).

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Next, I'll remind you of the above law office client, of whom I asked the
question, "How big is your rack?" Sigh.....

Tim Wohlford




"OrangeBlossom " <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> wrote in message
news:A22ni.2771$QE3.1052@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.
>
> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...
>
> --
>

Andrew Z Carpenter
17-Jul-2007, 03:59 PM
> "Tim Wohlford" <geek49203@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ep4ni.2832$QE3.669@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
>
> "How big is your rack?"




Mine's 19 inches, how about yours?




--
AZC

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 04:05 PM
Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:

> Mine's 19 inches, how about yours?

In light of recent events I have thought about my original reply for 10
minutes before hitting send and have therefore decided to replace that
reply with this one.

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Jay Calderwood
17-Jul-2007, 04:11 PM
Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:
>> "Tim Wohlford" <geek49203@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ep4ni.2832$QE3.669@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
>>
>> "How big is your rack?"
>
>
>
>
> Mine's 19 inches, how about yours?
>
>
>
>

Uh...didn't we learn from my post from yesterday?

--
Jay Calderwood
http://jaycalderwood.blogspot.com

Quote: "I have worked HARD for everything I have. A beautiful family
which includes a beautiful Soon-to-be wife,
a bunch of beautiful healthy kids, 2 annoying pooches, and an occasional
Pooh Bear (silly ol' bear he is).
Like I said I worked hard for what I have and I'm not going to lose this
because this is what I always have wanted.
I need to remove those cancerous people from my life to keep what I
have, and I will. I'm tired of all
the backstabbing and deceit. This is my world, I created it, now it is
time to undo what I let happen. I will not turn back."

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Mary Matthews
17-Jul-2007, 04:45 PM
Looks like we have...he did wait 10 minutes to re-think it. :)

Jim
17-Jul-2007, 04:47 PM
And one of your servers will probably need a blue ray/HD DVD drive for
those monster software installs...loud speakers in case it beeps and
you can't hear over the a/c
--



Stevo wrote:

> OrangeBlossom scribbled something like:
>
> > Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type
> > stuff...
>
> large plasma lcd monitor (40" or more) for your shared console <G>

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 04:48 PM
Jim wrote:

> And one of your servers will probably need a blue ray/HD DVD drive for
> those monster software installs...

At least for anything from Redmond...

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Timothy Leerhoff
17-Jul-2007, 06:08 PM
Adding to what Tim said when calculating BTUs include monitors,
servers, UPSs, persons in the room, lights, etc.

How many racks and rows of racks are you thinking of needing?

--
Timothy Leerhoff
Novell Support Forum Sysop

Tim Wohlford
17-Jul-2007, 06:47 PM
Does this include the racks of wine bottles?

(grins)

Tim




"Timothy Leerhoff" <tleerhoffNO@SPAMqwest.net> wrote in message
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> How many racks and rows of racks are you thinking of needing?
>

Timothy Leerhoff
17-Jul-2007, 07:42 PM
If it needs cooling......

--
Timothy Leerhoff
Novell Support Forum Sysop

Kathryn Carruthers
17-Jul-2007, 08:13 PM
>>
>
> And 80's Monster Ballads?
>
There was a disco night to end our recent Bluesfest concert series.
They had the Village People, Peaches and Herb, A Taste of Honey,
somebody else, but I left after The Village People.

Sewermonger
17-Jul-2007, 08:20 PM
TMI
--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 08:39 PM
Kathryn Carruthers wrote:

> There was a disco night to end our recent Bluesfest concert series. They
> had the Village People, Peaches and Herb, A Taste of Honey, somebody
> else, but I left after The Village People.

Without Gloria Gaynor, it's nothin'!

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Sewermonger
17-Jul-2007, 08:42 PM
Put the server room in the center of the building. No windows to break
and get access.

Shielded twisted pair feeding all your network inside that building

Shielded twisted pair for telephone service inside the server room.

LARGE capacity UPS

The server room should have dedicated cooling and emergency cooling
backup. Exhaust ports for the room so forced cooling or fans will not
pressurize the room - gotta have air flow

Power filters and separate/isolated power for the server room.

Install several POTS lines (plain old telephone service) in the server
room (don't have the telephone lines go through a company switch) so if
the telephone switch dies you still have telephone service. Do not use
wireless phones etc for phone service inside the server room.

Elevated floors so you can access cables and such

Two firewalls around the server room that are a inch or so distant from
each other so a collapsed steel mesh (grounded copper mesh also if you
want a really secure area - no radio interference) can be installed
around the server room. Security of equipment and data will drive this
one. This should be the most secure area in your company.

Remote site backup of data

Security cameras on access door.

Server room should be big enough for the admin to have a large desk to
work on equipment and room in front and back of server racks to easily
install remove rack mounted equipment (figure at least 5 feet on
front/back for access)

Server room should be big enough for growth of server farm/company
expansion. Don't wanna get cramped if your company grows.

Emergency lighting.


--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 08:57 PM
Sewermonger wrote:

> Put the server room in the center of the building. No windows to break
> and get access.

Other than the "Windows" servers themselves...

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

OrangeBlossom
17-Jul-2007, 08:57 PM
Tim Wohlford wrote:

> "How big is your rack?"

none of your bees wax!

--

Doug
17-Jul-2007, 08:58 PM
Sewermonger wrote:

Great list But add..

Backup power for the AC system


Doug

OrangeBlossom
17-Jul-2007, 08:58 PM
we will have one full and a one half going in...but I do see that
growing...I am thinking space for 4

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OrangeBlossom
17-Jul-2007, 08:58 PM
heh, they are taking care of that in the break room...trust me...

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Sewermonger
17-Jul-2007, 09:13 PM
oh and doors big enough to allow moving big equipment in and out of
server room without removing the door.

lots of bookshelves to store manuals, secure software storage so people
don't borrow the DVD/CD and install at home.

IT department should have offices outside and surround the server room
so you can keep an eye on the access. Don't want anyone able to enter
the server room by mistake is what I'm talking about. Security should
be like a bank vault - fire proof and secure walls, floor and ceiling.
Concrete room inside of building if you really want security.

Remote temperature sensing

Multi story building so the server room should be above the 100 year
flood level.

Shielded twisted pair run from workstation to server room patch panel
if you lots of money. (lots of interference from lights and you also
prevent data loss by industrial spies) Dedicated cable trays to hold
workstation twisted pair runs to hubs or home runs to server room.
Conduit to hold cables if you want massive security.

New servers with massive amounts of ram.

Telephone closet should not be near server room. T-1 or higher should
have isolated cables going to server room and not be near telephone
service.

I'm concentrating alot on security because management rarely thinks
about it. How important is your data?





--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Sewermonger
17-Jul-2007, 09:15 PM
that's part of emergency cooling and UPS in my book. Sorry I didn't
make that clear.


--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Kathryn Carruthers
17-Jul-2007, 09:23 PM
Joseph Marton wrote:
> Kathryn Carruthers wrote:
>
>> There was a disco night to end our recent Bluesfest concert series.
>> They had the Village People, Peaches and Herb, A Taste of Honey,
>> somebody else, but I left after The Village People.
>
> Without Gloria Gaynor, it's nothin'!
>
But they had a really immense disco ball.

Joseph Marton
17-Jul-2007, 09:44 PM
Kathryn Carruthers wrote:

> But they had a really immense disco ball.

Well I guess that + Village People is worthy of "honorable mention."

--
Joe
"Mostly me, mostly you."

Tim Wohlford
18-Jul-2007, 05:14 AM
Don't forget the temp alarm should the AC fail. One of those saved my butt
once.

Another client's AC failed, and there as no alarm, and when the server room
hit 110F, bad stuff happened. The damage would've paid for the installation
of the temp alarm, plus the surcharge to hook it into the fire and security
alarm.

Tim Wohlford




"Doug" <rdmallory@myrealb0x.c0m> wrote in message
news:db9ni.3124$QE3.2558@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Sewermonger wrote:
>
> Great list But add..
>
> Backup power for the AC system
>
>
> Doug

Tim Wohlford
18-Jul-2007, 05:24 AM
Dittos on that use of a server room to store computer stuff that grows legs.

Make sure you have a designated area for the "emergency kits" -- you know,
those materials needed to get a totally failed server running again at
oh-dark-thirty? If you have a designated place, then it's a lot easer when
you've been up all nite on a thrash.

Someone brighter than me in HVAC matters should talk to you about the number
of cubic feet of air in that room. If you put all of your heat-generating
equipment in a small room, then you'd better'd have a lot of air velocity
("Gone with the Wind"?). If you have a bigger room, you can probably afford
to have a little less breeze. While I don't need to tell you that "bigger
is better", yes, grab the biggest server room you can get.

WE had a discussion in NICI about the floor of the server room when I was
building mine 4 years ago. Specifically, there were 2 issues:

1. Carpet? Carpet seems to me to be a source of static electricity, and a
great way to retain spilled liquid (broken pipe, etc), and someone has to
run a sweeper in that room at least once a decade.

2. The AC in my server room had a drain pipe that went into a somewhat-open
floor drain. I never saw any moisture come down that drain pipe, and never
saw that floor drain get used, but it still made me nervous. Make sure your
HVAC people don't do this to you.


Last, make sure that there are no water pipes in the ceiling. I worked in a
place where such a pipe burst, and the phone system was hosed (literally)
for a couple of days.

Tim Wohlford






"Sewermonger" <Sewermonger@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3q9ni.3142$QE3.2547@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> oh and doors big enough to allow moving big equipment in and out of
> server room without removing the door.
>
> lots of bookshelves to store manuals, secure software storage so people
> don't borrow the DVD/CD and install at home.
>
> IT department should have offices outside and surround the server room
> so you can keep an eye on the access. Don't want anyone able to enter
> the server room by mistake is what I'm talking about. Security should
> be like a bank vault - fire proof and secure walls, floor and ceiling.
> Concrete room inside of building if you really whghant security.
>
> Remote temperature sensing
>
> Multi story building so the server room should be above the 100 year
> flood level.
>
> Shielded twisted pair run from workstation to server room patch panel
> if you lots of money. (lots of interference from lights and you also
> prevent data loss by industrial spies) Dedicated cable trays to hold
> workstation twisted pair runs to hubs or home runs to server room.
> Conduit to hold cables if you want massive security.
>
> New servers with massive amounts of ram.
>
> Telephone closet should not be near server room. T-1 or higher should
> have isolated cables going to server room and not be near telephone
> service.
>
> I'm concentrating alot on security because management rarely thinks
> about it. How important is your data?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
>
>

Mike M
18-Jul-2007, 04:02 PM
Projector. Forget those slide-out monitor trays! Keep one wall painted
white and completely available for monitoring servers via projectors. Way
cool.

A multi-line phone and wireless connectivity. A place you can go to get
work done via laptop when the folks in your office insist on knocking on
your office door when it's closed and the sign says "do not disturb".

A nice chair and desk for above purpose.

And a pair of headphones so you can drown out all the server room noise, and
listen to your favorite tunes! :)


"OrangeBlossom " <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> wrote in message
news:A22ni.2771$QE3.1052@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.
>
> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...
>
> --
>

Chris Murzda
18-Jul-2007, 04:14 PM
Redundant circuits, nothing like having dual power supplies plugged into
the same circuit. ;)

Blinky Bill
18-Jul-2007, 04:38 PM
Mary Matthews wrote:

> Racks, lots of cooling power, a wine/beer fridge <BG>, raised
> flooring, wide doors and ramps for hauling equipment in/out of there.
> Oh, an the requisite big red "N" painted on the wall. ;)

We just built a server room and got the double doors, it was only today
that I realised that there are no wide doors from the lifts into the
office space, so our wonderful doors are useless :-(

We didn't go with raised flooring, cable trays on the roof and ducts to
the racks seem to work just as well with a whole heap less cost.

--

Teresa
18-Jul-2007, 05:25 PM
Server Rooms are the haven for netadmins!

T


"Mike M" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:eYpni.3500$QE3.2286@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Projector. Forget those slide-out monitor trays! Keep one wall painted
> white and completely available for monitoring servers via projectors. Way
> cool.
>
> A multi-line phone and wireless connectivity. A place you can go to get
> work done via laptop when the folks in your office insist on knocking on
> your office door when it's closed and the sign says "do not disturb".
>
> A nice chair and desk for above purpose.
>
> And a pair of headphones so you can drown out all the server room noise,
> and listen to your favorite tunes! :)
>
>
> "OrangeBlossom " <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> wrote in message
> news:A22ni.2771$QE3.1052@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
>> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
>> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.
>>
>> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Dave Taylor
20-Jul-2007, 07:52 AM
"Blinky Bill" <koala@gumtree.com.au> wrote in news:2uqni.3522$QE3.2490@prv-
forum2.provo.novell.com:

> We didn't go with raised flooring, cable trays on the roof and ducts to
> the racks seem to work just as well with a whole heap less cost.

Put lids over the servers to stop splashes?

--
Ciao, Dave

Victor of Borg
20-Jul-2007, 10:17 PM
Tim Wohlford <geek49203@hotmail.com> expounded:

> Last, make sure that there are no water pipes in the ceiling. I worked in a
> place where such a pipe burst, and the phone system was hosed (literally)
> for a couple of days.

The new main datacenter at my old job had honest-to-god sprinklers in the
ceiling. I looked at that and went "Wha???". Turns out fire-code in that
neck of the woods actually called for that.

The sprinklers would only pop when there was an actual fire hot enough to
blow the glass vials. The not-Halon system would dump on smoke-detection,
which should keep any fire from getting hot enough to cause a sprinkler
dump. Theory being, once a fire is hot enough to glow the vials, the room
is effectively lost anyway.

But still, all it takes is one yokel to bang a sprinkler-head hard enough
and it's a flooded datacenter. The fire-marshal wouldn't let us build a
new one without the sprinkers.


> "Sewermonger" <Sewermonger@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3q9ni.3142$QE3.2547@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> > oh and doors big enough to allow moving big equipment in and out of
> > server room without removing the door.
> >
> > lots of bookshelves to store manuals, secure software storage so people
> > don't borrow the DVD/CD and install at home.
> >
> > IT department should have offices outside and surround the server room
> > so you can keep an eye on the access. Don't want anyone able to enter
> > the server room by mistake is what I'm talking about. Security should
> > be like a bank vault - fire proof and secure walls, floor and ceiling.
> > Concrete room inside of building if you really whghant security.
> >
> > Remote temperature sensing
> >
> > Multi story building so the server room should be above the 100 year
> > flood level.
> >
> > Shielded twisted pair run from workstation to server room patch panel
> > if you lots of money. (lots of interference from lights and you also
> > prevent data loss by industrial spies) Dedicated cable trays to hold
> > workstation twisted pair runs to hubs or home runs to server room.
> > Conduit to hold cables if you want massive security.
> >
> > New servers with massive amounts of ram.
> >
> > Telephone closet should not be near server room. T-1 or higher should
> > have isolated cables going to server room and not be near telephone
> > service.
> >
> > I'm concentrating alot on security because management rarely thinks
> > about it. How important is your data?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
> >
> >



--
--Borg Consulate--
Tape backup, the bane of my existance

Victor of Borg
20-Jul-2007, 10:30 PM
OrangeBlossom <coleen@nospam.thinnes.net> expounded:
> My company is in the beginning stages of building a new corporate
> headquarters. We need to turn in our specs for the server room.

> Any cool suggestions? Things you wish you had thought of...type stuff...

Hm. Considering how trends in the datacenter are going, building in some
way to bring direct air-flow to the racks isn't a bad idea. Some of those
blade-centers need quite a bit of air-flow RIGHT THERE at the front to
maintain cool. Again, depending on density of the stuff, you may want to
look at more directly separating the hot and cold domains.

In my data-center I get some noticable back-to-front circulation over the
tops of my racks, so the top, oh, quarter of some racks is as much as 5
degrees warmer on in-take than the stuff at the bottoms of the racks.
Doing something to fix that will take some effort, because if we DO get an
FM-200 dump in there I'd like the gas to be able to GET everywhere.

--
--Borg Consulate--
Tape backup, the bane of my existance

Sewermonger
21-Jul-2007, 12:19 AM
(P)aperweightCNE and (L)Boss decided on a portable air conditioner
dumping on the server rack.

They have the hot exhaust dumping in the room also. The only place
that's cold/cool is the cold dumping on the servers. Oh.. and they
leave the door open now.

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Sewermonger
21-Jul-2007, 12:24 AM
Did you use any of the suggestions?


--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

OrangeBlossom
09-Aug-2007, 01:27 PM
We put just about everything in the write up, we will see what we
get....

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