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Frank McCallister
17-Jul-2007, 08:47 PM
I said I would post a separate thread on F84 stories after a post in S Korea
thread that included a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-84
which brought back memories from my days as a Fighter pilot stationed at
Nagoya Japan from 1955 - 1957 with frequent TDY to K6 airfield in Korea.
This is a long post so read what you wish :>)

The article lists several capabilities of the F84 and I will go over several
of these. The first is that it says it is in flight refuelable!
There are/were 2 basic refuel methods available in those days, Boom and
probe and drogue. SAC (Strategic Air Command) had priority on all the boom
operators so we were stuck with the oldest slowest tankers with hoses
trailing behind with baskets (drogues) on the end. To stick these they
welded probes on the end of the tip tanks (see picture on link) and we flew
the probes (think phallic) into the basket and filled one tank at a time.
That is 230 gallons or 1500 pounds roughly 17 feet away from center. Then
back off and holding stick very hard to other side stick the other tip while
emptying full tank into internal tanks and fill that side. Then go back
third time and fill the now empty first tip tank. At the slow tanker speeds
this was an EXTREMELY difficult task!!!

It says: The F-84 was the first aircraft flown by the U.S. Air Force
Thunderbirds, which operated F-84 G Thunderjets from 1953 to 1955 The leader
of the Thunderbirds Dick Cattledge (sp) became our Squadron commander and I
had the privilege of flying right wing as he started to form a Far East
Acrobatic Team. The PACAF Commander found out what he was doing before we
put on any shows but he was the smoothest leader I ever flew formation on!!!

It says: ... the first single-seat aircraft capable of carrying a nuclear
bomb. Yes we had a Nuclear capability and assigned targets. We could not
keep nukes in Japan so we had to fly elsewhere to pick those up if war broke
out. During the Suez crisis we were having a Squadron party at the O Club
and the commander stood up on the stage and rang the big bell and SHOUTED
for attention. He told all the pilots to go outside and stick their fingers
down their throat and throw up that we had to go to our WAR base to get
weapons!!! The Flight Surgeon met us at the flight line to further sober us
up and we started our engines and taxied out toward the runway. We held for
about 30 minutes and were called back in. I understand this happened world
wide. Not too many people realize how close the world came in 1956!!!

To deliver a nuke in an F84 you flew directly over the target and pulled up
into the start of a loop. At approximately 110 degrees the bomb released
automatically (or manually) and you continued to pull untill approximately
45 degrees from ground at which point you rolled 180 degrees and dived to as
low as you dared. The nuke would go almost straight up and come back down on
target airbursting while you were at safe distance. The accuracy of delivery
depended on how level you kept your wings and how close you kept the pull up
to the prescribed 4 G pull. The bomb goes a LONG way up before it comes
down. A funny thing happened at a practice range one day. A pilot having
difficulty qualifying let one wing drop a little and his little 3 pound
smoke bomb went off range. A Japanese Papason got up from bed to take a leak
and the smoke hit right in the center of the bed he left :>)

In my 5000 hours of Fighter time I made to dead stick landings (Engine out)
one was F84 and the other was T-33. No fighter made after the F84 could be
safely landed dead stick.

Lastly the saying in the 50's was you can tell a Mustang (p-51) driver by
his big right leg and a Hog driver by his big Right arm :>)

Hope this didn't bore too many of you!

--
Frank McCallister
COMPUMAC

Doug
17-Jul-2007, 09:14 PM
Frank McCallister wrote:

Thanks to you and other Military troops we have our Freedom today!

I thank all of you

Doug

Sewermonger
17-Jul-2007, 09:56 PM
Hmm You may have flown with Boots Bleese and some of the other well
known pilots. I have always been impressed with the skill and daring do
you Korean War pilots had.

Thanks for serving also.

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Frank McCallister
18-Jul-2007, 04:15 AM
Boots Blesse was a little older and flew different aircraft except for F80.
I met him once but knew him little.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1068

--
Frank McCallister
COMPUMAC

"Sewermonger" <Sewermonger@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:S1ani.3214$QE3.333@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Hmm You may have flown with Boots Bleese and some of the other well
> known pilots. I have always been impressed with the skill and daring do
> you Korean War pilots had.
>
> Thanks for serving also.
>
> --
> Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
>
>

Mark (mgh)
18-Jul-2007, 04:50 AM
Frank,

Thanks for posting the stories.

And thanks for serving your country in the capacity of a pilot. As you
well know, its dangerous & many men didn't return. We're all mighty
glad you did.

I did NROTC & got selected for Navy flight school. Hardest thing I ever
tried. Got all the way through Primary flight in T-34Cs at NAS Whiting
Field. Didn't make the selection to continue to jets, props, or helos.
Ended up in the surface fleet. The whole experience gave me an even
greater respect for those who made it & earned their wings. It takes a
lot of dedication & hard work.

To those browsing this post and are curious about military aviation in
the early jet years (mostly 1950s), read the first chapter of The Right
Stuff by Tom Wolf. It gives a great account of how dangerous flying
was in those days. And it isn't in the movie.

Both my father & an uncle were USN Aviators. Uncle was in since the mid
50s until he retired in 1976. He flew A-7s, A-1s, & others. My Dad's
first operational squadron was V-102 out of NAS Jax, flying F4Ds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4D_Skyray '57 - '59

Neither Dad or Uncle ever pushed me to join up. I just wanted to since
seeing my Dad fly at an air show. I was 6.

While we lived in Ohio, my Dad joined the ANG (no Naval Reserve wing in
the area) & flew F-100s
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-100_Super_Sabre ). When the Pueblo
incident occurred, his squadron, 166th TFS out of Lochbourne, was sent
to Kunsan AB, '68-'69.

After reading the above listing on F-100s, I feel very lucky that my Dad
survived. Those Huns had some serious issues.

Frank McCallister
18-Jul-2007, 06:05 AM
You got me started again :>)

I joined the Air Commandos in 1962 and spent several tours in VietNam,
Thailand, and Laos flying props covertly. I flew the Navy A1 your uncle flew
as the first commander of the detachment called Sandy's that escorted
Helicopters up into Laos and North VietNam to rescue our downed pilots. Our
job was to locate the pilot and insure that the area was safe for the
helicopter to hover. I was shot at by everything from a crossbow to a SAM
and had one dogfight with a MIG when my F4 escort had to leave out of fuel.

When I left VN I went to Lakenheath England and was the first pilot to ever
get an intheatre checkout in the F100 your Dad flew. Before that ALL pilots
had to go thru the school at Nellis. The design of the F100 could get pilots
in trouble in a hurry because of the high angle of attack under many
conditions and many pilots who learned to fly starting in jets didn't use
enough rudder. This would also cause the engine to compressor stall and I
have seen flame come out of the front of the aircraft!!!

Here is a famous video called the Sabre Dance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp3dIeDQ_kU

I have talked too much and bragged more than I have in years but I am proud
to have kept some pilots out of the Hanoi Hilton.

My only regret was that I missed that MIG!!!

--
Frank McCallister
COMPUMAC

"Mark (mgh)" <markgharveyNO@SPAMyahooPLEASE.com> wrote in message
news:b6gni.3323$QE3.2271@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Frank,
>
> Thanks for posting the stories.
>
> And thanks for serving your country in the capacity of a pilot. As you
> well know, its dangerous & many men didn't return. We're all mighty
> glad you did.
>
> I did NROTC & got selected for Navy flight school. Hardest thing I ever
> tried. Got all the way through Primary flight in T-34Cs at NAS Whiting
> Field. Didn't make the selection to continue to jets, props, or helos.
> Ended up in the surface fleet. The whole experience gave me an even
> greater respect for those who made it & earned their wings. It takes a
> lot of dedication & hard work.
>
> To those browsing this post and are curious about military aviation in
> the early jet years (mostly 1950s), read the first chapter of The Right
> Stuff by Tom Wolf. It gives a great account of how dangerous flying
> was in those days. And it isn't in the movie.
>
> Both my father & an uncle were USN Aviators. Uncle was in since the mid
> 50s until he retired in 1976. He flew A-7s, A-1s, & others. My Dad's
> first operational squadron was V-102 out of NAS Jax, flying F4Ds
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4D_Skyray '57 - '59
>
> Neither Dad or Uncle ever pushed me to join up. I just wanted to since
> seeing my Dad fly at an air show. I was 6.
>
> While we lived in Ohio, my Dad joined the ANG (no Naval Reserve wing in
> the area) & flew F-100s
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-100_Super_Sabre ). When the Pueblo
> incident occurred, his squadron, 166th TFS out of Lochbourne, was sent
> to Kunsan AB, '68-'69.
>
> After reading the above listing on F-100s, I feel very lucky that my Dad
> survived. Those Huns had some serious issues.
>

Sewermonger
18-Jul-2007, 07:48 AM
I located a copy of his instruction booklet and printed it out. I'm
starting to play some old flight sim games. Red Baron, Lock ON and
such. A-10 Warthog also.


--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Doug
18-Jul-2007, 06:58 PM
Frank McCallister wrote:

> You got me started again :>)

My Dad was there in 54-56 USN on the Hospital Ship Haven. The one of the
first hospital ships to have a Helo deck installed.

Doug