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  1. #1
    Kathryn NNTP User

    What Authentication Data to use??

    I have installed an OES Linux sp2, but can't seem to get updates. If I
    login as root, then run rug act -s 1 mycode myemail@gmail.com it says
    "Warning: System could not be activated: Can't connect - Cannot connect
    to destination (http://update.novell.com/data/RPC2/redcarpet-client.php).

    If I then try with an eval code (but still my email address), I get
    System successfully activated. But when I go to YAST to try to get
    updates, I've tried my email address and my Novell login ID, with my
    Novell login password, and get a username or password error.

    So I have two problems: I apparently have a bad activation code, and I
    don't know what password they want if it's not my Novell login password.

    No systems are showing up (evaluation or otherwise) in my Customer
    Center listing. But I do see that I have two Organizations listed --
    one with my proper work address, and one with my gmail. The gmail
    organization only owns one copy of SLED (I believe from Brainshare)
    while the work organization is showing as Entitled to OES, but with no
    systems registered.

  2. #2
    Mark Robinson NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:43:59 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

    > I have installed an OES Linux sp2, but can't seem to get updates. If I
    > login as root, then run rug act -s 1 mycode myemail@gmail.com it says
    > "Warning: System could not be activated: Can't connect - Cannot connect to
    > destination (http://update.novell.com/data/RPC2/redcarpet-client.php).
    >
    > If I then try with an eval code (but still my email address), I get System
    > successfully activated. But when I go to YAST to try to get updates, I've
    > tried my email address and my Novell login ID, with my Novell login
    > password, and get a username or password error.
    >
    > So I have two problems: I apparently have a bad activation code, and I
    > don't know what password they want if it's not my Novell login password.
    >
    > No systems are showing up (evaluation or otherwise) in my Customer Center
    > listing. But I do see that I have two Organizations listed -- one with my
    > proper work address, and one with my gmail. The gmail organization only
    > owns one copy of SLED (I believe from Brainshare) while the work
    > organization is showing as Entitled to OES, but with no systems
    > registered.



    EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
    Rug is used to patch OES...
    This is how to patch:
    http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol

    --
    Mark Robinson
    Novell Volunteer SysOp
    www.nds8.co.uk
    One by one the penguins steal my sanity...


  3. #3
    Kathryn NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    Mark Robinson wrote:
    > EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
    > Rug is used to patch OES...
    > This is how to patch:
    > http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol
    >


    Thanks Mark. So I'm lucky that the YAST Update doesn't work the way
    it's supposed to? I've been reading the OES Administrator's Handbook
    and the PDF Install Guide (haven't had time to go through the training
    stuff, but both of those official-type books told me to use the YAST
    Online Update post-install, and then rug if that didn't work -- I ran
    rug with the options listed in the installation manual, and now I can't
    find the user that I'd created, but otherwise it seems to have been
    successful, albeit non-informative). I had installed from sp2 ISOs and
    rug said that it downloaded 413 updates (almost 2 GB over almost 2
    hours). That seems like a lot.


  4. #4
    WillR NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    Kathryn wrote:
    > Mark Robinson wrote:
    >> EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
    >> Rug is used to patch OES...
    >> This is how to patch:
    >> http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol
    >>

    >
    > Thanks Mark. So I'm lucky that the YAST Update doesn't work the way
    > it's supposed to? I've been reading the OES Administrator's Handbook
    > and the PDF Install Guide (haven't had time to go through the training
    > stuff, but both of those official-type books told me to use the YAST
    > Online Update post-install, and then rug if that didn't work -- I ran
    > rug with the options listed in the installation manual, and now I can't
    > find the user that I'd created, but otherwise it seems to have been
    > successful, albeit non-informative). I had installed from sp2 ISOs and
    > rug said that it downloaded 413 updates (almost 2 GB over almost 2
    > hours). That seems like a lot.
    >


    Seems like about right actually -- lot of updates!

    RUG RUG RUG -- nothing else. You can use YAST to install new packages
    from the CD though. At least I have. Of course I have also installed new
    system software through RUG...

    I am running our OES as a file server and and Interbase SQL server
    application server -- works fine. Only problem has been the RAID array
    barfs regularly on restart. Eventually it seems to re-synch and load.

    Multiple cards and Multiple IP addresses seem to confuse LDAP though use
    caution in that regard....

    Hopefully OES 2 will be better.


    --
    Will R
    PMC Consulting

  5. #5
    Kathryn NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    WillR wrote:

    > Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
    >


    Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
    that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from
    NetWare, it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need.
    I'm used to installing something and having it just work most of the time.

  6. #6
    WillR NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    Kathryn wrote:
    > WillR wrote:
    >
    >> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
    >>

    >
    > Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
    > that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from
    > NetWare, it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need.
    > I'm used to installing something and having it just work most of the time.


    Wellll.... better than you-know-who. My only server work is backup and
    patches. It just runs...

    I think it is a matter of familiarity. And since this server requires so
    little work in its present form -- I just don't get that familiar.

    We are running OES Linux (SP2) on an AMD 64 X2 (ASUS board), 2GB ECC
    memory -- needs 4GB, with a 4 drive RAID 5 Array, twin Ethernet D-Link
    Web Smart Hub. Interbase DB and Acronis backup.

    I quit counting OSes some years ago at about 50 Operating Systems that I
    knew or had learned at some time -- including mainframes (the most),
    minis(second) and PC's the last -- since there was really only about 6
    on Apples and PC compatibles.

    I generally like the last one best... if you know what I mean.

    Stick with it!


    --
    Will R
    PMC Consulting

  7. #7
    Mark Robinson NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:45:55 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

    > WillR wrote:
    >
    >> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
    >>
    >>

    > Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
    > that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from NetWare,
    > it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need. I'm used to
    > installing something and having it just work most of the time.


    Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
    back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
    comparison :-)

    OES 2 is looking much more polished...

    --
    Mark Robinson
    Novell Volunteer SysOp
    www.nds8.co.uk
    One by one the penguins steal my sanity...


  8. #8
    Kathryn NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    > Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
    > back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
    > comparison :-)


    Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I
    started using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what
    to expect. There weren't things showing up and then disappearing and
    maybe coming back, and maybe not (okay 4.01 was a bit of a pain). That
    kind of difficulty and instability were reserved for beta software (and
    you were told that it was beta). When I was dealing with a free version
    of Debian a few years ago, I expected it to be hard to learn, less
    documented and maybe a little flaky (so it was just for web stuff that
    could go down for a bit and not be horribly missed). Since OES Linux
    costs the same as NetWare, I expect that it will be as reliable, as well
    documented and include the same features and support Otherwise, it's
    not a replacement, and certainly not an upgrade.
    Okay, I've been spoiled, I admit it, by the increasing ease of
    installation and use of NetWare over the past few versions, so now I'm
    old and cranky, and not willing to go back to something as hard as the
    first version I ever used.
    And being told that it costs more than Windows because it includes the
    client licenses isn't useful until actual users can be weaned off
    Windows, which will not happen until it's really, really as good and
    stable and easy to install, use and manage as Windows XP (because I'm
    not doing Vista yet either).

    Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show
    my boss. :)

  9. #9
    Mark Robinson NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:56:37 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

    >> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
    >> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
    >> comparison :-)

    >
    > Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I started
    > using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what to expect.
    > There weren't things showing up and then disappearing and maybe coming
    > back, and maybe not (okay 4.01 was a bit of a pain). That kind of
    > difficulty and instability were reserved for beta software (and you were
    > told that it was beta). When I was dealing with a free version of Debian
    > a few years ago, I expected it to be hard to learn, less documented and
    > maybe a little flaky (so it was just for web stuff that could go down for
    > a bit and not be horribly missed). Since OES Linux costs the same as
    > NetWare, I expect that it will be as reliable, as well documented and
    > include the same features and support Otherwise, it's not a replacement,
    > and certainly not an upgrade. Okay, I've been spoiled, I admit it, by the
    > increasing ease of installation and use of NetWare over the past few
    > versions, so now I'm old and cranky, and not willing to go back to
    > something as hard as the first version I ever used.
    > And being told that it costs more than Windows because it includes the
    > client licenses isn't useful until actual users can be weaned off Windows,
    > which will not happen until it's really, really as good and stable and
    > easy to install, use and manage as Windows XP (because I'm not doing Vista
    > yet either).
    >
    > Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show my
    > boss. :)


    I dunno, looked pretty like a rant to me :-)

    Yeah, it should be as easy to use as Netware -myself and a colleague spent
    3 days ranting at Novell (on their home turf too) back in Oct/Nov last
    year. They are very willing to listen and have taken a lot of things on
    board. OES works very differently for some things - much easier. Also,
    there are some really cool features like Dynamic Storage Technology that
    might just make it worth learning :-)



    --
    Mark Robinson
    Novell Volunteer SysOp
    www.nds8.co.uk
    One by one the penguins steal my sanity...


  10. #10
    WillR NNTP User

    Re: What Authentication Data to use??

    Kathryn wrote:
    >> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
    >> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
    >> comparison :-)

    >
    > Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I
    > started using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what
    > to expect.
    > Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show
    > my boss. :)


    I installed one of the very first NW 2.0 systems (or least a fellow
    called Noorda once said so -- indeed he thought it might have been the
    first even... they thought of it as the first "real" Netware he said...)

    There were a lot of problems -- I can attest to that -- mostly confusion
    though. I know I finally gave up calling support after a few -- "we did
    not even know that worked..." comments. Not a complaint -- it's just
    that sometimes the leading edge is the "bleeding" edge. I know ACCPAC
    told me that they only tried the Beta release of Netware 2... and so on
    and so on...

    As I said before -- the Linux system just works. There are a lot of
    things that drive me bats -- but hopefully version 2 _will_ be better.
    Or else... :-)

    But _iFolder_ is definitely a PITA. You got that right. I gave up on it.
    ....And Print Manager Just don't have any more time to ... around with it.

    And it is a rant -- but a nice one. :-)

    --
    Will R
    PMC Consulting

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