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  1. #1
    Roger Kresge NNTP User

    Backup software recommendations?

    We're a small public school system with 4 major sites and 12 NetWare 6
    servers. Our current backup solution is Backup Exec 9, but we've had enough
    issues with it that we are considering other options rather than just
    blindly upgrading to the latest version.

    I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions you may have. Here's the list
    of software I'm planning to look at:

    - NovaNet
    - Backup Exec
    - ArcServe
    - TapeWare
    - Galaxy

    Are there any others we should consider? What experiences have you had with
    any of these that we should keep in mind as we evaluate?

    Thanks,

    Roger Kresge
    York, PA



  2. #2
    Jim Michael NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    Roger Kresge wrote:

    > - NovaNet
    > - TapeWare


    FYI, these two are identical products. Yosemite writes Tapeware, which
    is then resold as NovaNet by Novastor. If I were to choose between the
    two, I would go with TapeWare as at least then you're closer to the
    actual developers when you need tech support... That said, I used to be
    a big fan of NovaNet (and it *was* great compared to the ArcServe's and
    Backup Exec's back then), but their support for and knowledge of NetWare
    is nearly non-existent. YES, the software runs on NetWare, but if you
    call for support (to either company) and start askking NetWare-specific
    questions, you will get a response similar to "uuuuh." Also,
    TapeWare/NovaNet starts to fall over when you get millions of files in
    the database. It does not scale well.

    > Are there any others we should consider? What experiences have you had with
    > any of these that we should keep in mind as we evaluate?


    If you're not severely budget constrained, try Syncsort Backup Express
    (www.syncsort.com). You can get a full working trial. It is no where
    near the cheapest solution, but on the other hand it actually works.
    Downsides are cost and the fact that the master server only runs on
    Linux/Windows. Upsides are that it actually works, handles netware (and
    netware clusters) better than anyone... and oh, did I mention that it
    actually works?

    --
    Jim
    NSC SYsop

  3. #3
    Roger Kresge NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    Jim and Dave,

    Thanks for the suggestions and insights. I will definitely add Syncsort
    Backup Express to my list.

    Roger

    "Jim Michael" <jkmichael@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
    news:Y8ZYe.6952$Oi6.5163@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
    > Roger Kresge wrote:
    >
    > > - NovaNet
    > > - TapeWare

    >
    > FYI, these two are identical products. Yosemite writes Tapeware, which
    > is then resold as NovaNet by Novastor. If I were to choose between the
    > two, I would go with TapeWare as at least then you're closer to the
    > actual developers when you need tech support... That said, I used to be
    > a big fan of NovaNet (and it *was* great compared to the ArcServe's and
    > Backup Exec's back then), but their support for and knowledge of NetWare
    > is nearly non-existent. YES, the software runs on NetWare, but if you
    > call for support (to either company) and start askking NetWare-specific
    > questions, you will get a response similar to "uuuuh." Also,
    > TapeWare/NovaNet starts to fall over when you get millions of files in
    > the database. It does not scale well.
    >
    > > Are there any others we should consider? What experiences have you had

    with
    > > any of these that we should keep in mind as we evaluate?

    >
    > If you're not severely budget constrained, try Syncsort Backup Express
    > (www.syncsort.com). You can get a full working trial. It is no where
    > near the cheapest solution, but on the other hand it actually works.
    > Downsides are cost and the fact that the master server only runs on
    > Linux/Windows. Upsides are that it actually works, handles netware (and
    > netware clusters) better than anyone... and oh, did I mention that it
    > actually works?
    >
    > --
    > Jim
    > NSC SYsop




  4. #4
    Steven Wilson NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    Jim Michael wrote:
    ....(and it *was* great compared to the ArcServe's...

    yes, but it could it abend the server just by typing ASTART at the
    console? you just can't get good undocumented features like that
    anywhere else ;)

  5. #5
    Barry Schnur NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    I'll let you know what I think about Backup Express in a bit over a
    month -- sold a client on the need to 'move up' from Backup Exec.

    --
    Barry Schnur
    Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop

  6. #6
    Jim Michael NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    Barry Schnur wrote:
    > I'll let you know what I think about Backup Express in a bit over a
    > month -- sold a client on the need to 'move up' from Backup Exec.


    I would have convinced them to run a working trial (free) for a couple
    of months (because different organizations have different "gripe points"
    regarding software), but hopefully it will be a big improvement for
    them. Make no mistake: Backup Express is not "perfect" software. The
    interface looks very windows 3.1-ish and is clunky, but the overriding
    fact is that it *actually works* <G>


    --
    Jim
    NSC SYsop

  7. #7
    Barry Schnur NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    > I would have convinced them to run a working trial (free) for a couple
    > of months (because different organizations have different "gripe points"
    > regarding software), but hopefully it will be a big improvement for
    > them. Make no mistake: Backup Express is not "perfect" software. The
    > interface looks very windows 3.1-ish and is clunky, but the overriding
    > fact is that it *actually works* <G>


    Fair point -- I think what we'll do (perhaps this weekend) as a test is
    down the existing 4.2 server (I'm assuming Backup Express runs on 4.2
    SP9), then install the working trial on that server and use it to
    backup to the SDLT320 on that server.

    --
    Barry Schnur
    Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop

  8. #8
    Jim Michael NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    Barry Schnur wrote:

    > Fair point -- I think what we'll do (perhaps this weekend) as a test is
    > down the existing 4.2 server (I'm assuming Backup Express runs on 4.2
    > SP9), then install the working trial on that server and use it to
    > backup to the SDLT320 on that server.


    Well, BackupExpress can back up a NW 4.2 *client*, but the master server
    itself (the part that runs the GUI and manages the backup database) only
    runs on Linux or Windows ;-)

    --
    Jim
    NSC SYsop

  9. #9
    Barry Schnur NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?

    > Well, BackupExpress can back up a NW 4.2 *client*, but the master server
    > itself (the part that runs the GUI and manages the backup database) only
    > runs on Linux or Windows ;-)


    Understood -- and not an issue -- but of course I need Synsort to reply
    to an email and a phone call. I'm a bit surprised that a voice mail to
    my sales guy I left on Monday didn't get a response by EOB Wednesday.



    --
    Barry Schnur
    Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop

  10. #10
    Richard Beels [SysOp] NNTP User

    Re: Backup software recommendations?


    what's the question?


    --
    Cheers!
    Richard Beels
    ~ Network Consultant
    ~ Sysop, Novell Support Connection
    ~ MCNE, CNE*, CNA*, CNS*, N*LS



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