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    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Christian_V=F6lker?= NNTP User

    local user vs. NDS-user?

    Yohoo!

    We are evaluating the Novell OES. So I installed an OES, which is
    running fine.

    Now I wanted to try the connection of Windows. I used the "Novell Client
    for Windows 4.91 SP2" on a Windows-XP. No Windows-AD or domain.

    I cann login as admin on the Novell-Login Screen, but if I create a new
    user, he can't login, because there is no local Windows-user with it's name.

    I don't want to have two users administrative tasks for the NDS and
    local users. So, where did I make a mistake? How can I tell my local
    computer, that he don't have to use the local Windows-accounts?

    Or am I completely wrong and forgot something?

    Greets

    Christian

  2. #2
    cperry@hmdc.harvard.edu NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    One of the ways this is dealt with, is using Zenworks Dynamic Local
    User, which creates Windows local accounts on the fly after logging in
    with the Novell client. If you want any help setting it up, let me know.


    I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
    do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

    Christian Vlker wrote:
    > Yohoo!
    >
    > We are evaluating the Novell OES. So I installed an OES, which is
    > running fine.
    >
    > Now I wanted to try the connection of Windows. I used the "Novell Client
    > for Windows 4.91 SP2" on a Windows-XP. No Windows-AD or domain.
    >
    > I cann login as admin on the Novell-Login Screen, but if I create a new
    > user, he can't login, because there is no local Windows-user with it's name.
    >
    > I don't want to have two users administrative tasks for the NDS and
    > local users. So, where did I make a mistake? How can I tell my local
    > computer, that he don't have to use the local Windows-accounts?
    >
    > Or am I completely wrong and forgot something?
    >
    > Greets
    >
    > Christian


  3. #3
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Christian_V=F6lker?= NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Yohoo!

    > I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
    > do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

    So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
    of these local users? Can't be true.

    How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
    install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
    is NOT the policy of Novell.

    Really surprised....

    Greets

    Christian

  4. #4
    cperry@hmdc.harvard.edu NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    We've had Netware 6.5 for years, which as a result requires the Netware
    client. When the Novell client is installed, you can login to the tree,
    or Workstation Only.

    If you have people login to the tree, they're prompted for a Windows
    username and password. Unless you install Zenworks in your tree, which
    allows you to create a UserPackage, which allows you to create Windows
    accounts on the fly.

    We've never known any other way around it. Hope this helps.

    By the way, Zenworks is pretty easy to install and set up for this
    functionality.

    Christian Vlker wrote:
    > Yohoo!
    >
    >> I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
    >> do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

    > So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
    > of these local users? Can't be true.
    >
    > How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
    > install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
    > is NOT the policy of Novell.
    >
    > Really surprised....
    >
    > Greets
    >
    > Christian


  5. #5
    craig wilson NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Other options include configuring "Auto-Admin-Logon" so that once
    authenticating to NDS, everyone logs into the local PC as the same account.

    Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5 box
    (or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the PCs into
    that domain for authentication purposes.

    What must be done, is local Windows Authentication. There is no way
    around this. Either use a local account or a domain account. The
    NetWare server can act as your domain. ZENworks can be used to manage
    local accounts.

    If you are in a company of any decent size and you are running
    NetWare/OES, you should own ZENworks since it makes desktop
    administration much easier and will save you work or money.

    The statements in regards to ZENworks do not even apply to account
    management since I do not use it for that, but for the general desktop
    management.

    cperry@hmdc.harvard.edu wrote:
    > We've had Netware 6.5 for years, which as a result requires the Netware
    > client. When the Novell client is installed, you can login to the tree,
    > or Workstation Only.
    >
    > If you have people login to the tree, they're prompted for a Windows
    > username and password. Unless you install Zenworks in your tree, which
    > allows you to create a UserPackage, which allows you to create Windows
    > accounts on the fly.
    >
    > We've never known any other way around it. Hope this helps.
    >
    > By the way, Zenworks is pretty easy to install and set up for this
    > functionality.
    >
    > Christian Vlker wrote:
    >> Yohoo!
    >>
    >>> I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
    >>> do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

    >> So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
    >> of these local users? Can't be true.
    >>
    >> How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
    >> install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
    >> is NOT the policy of Novell.
    >>
    >> Really surprised....
    >>
    >> Greets
    >>
    >> Christian



    --
    Craig Wilson
    Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
    Master CNE, MCSE 2003, CCN

  6. #6
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Timo_Pietil=E4?= NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    craig wilson wrote:

    > Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5 box
    > (or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the PCs into
    > that domain for authentication purposes.


    Where do I find documentation about this feature? I always assumed it
    wasn't possible with NW6.5, and none of my netware courses I have taken
    said anything about this.

    Timo Pietil

  7. #7
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Timo_Pietil=E4?= NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Timo Pietil wrote:
    > craig wilson wrote:
    >
    >> Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5
    >> box (or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the
    >> PCs into that domain for authentication purposes.

    >
    > Where do I find documentation about this feature?


    Nevermind, found that.

    Timo Pietil

  8. #8
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Christian_V=F6lker?= NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Yohoo!

    >> Where do I find documentation about this feature?

    > Nevermind, found that.

    Can you please tell us, where?

  9. #9
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Timo_Pietil=E4?= NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Christian Vlker wrote:
    > Yohoo!
    >
    >>> Where do I find documentation about this feature?

    >> Nevermind, found that.

    > Can you please tell us, where?


    It is in NW6.5 documentation. In "native file access" section to be precise:

    http://www.novell.com/documentation/.../hz8pck9v.html

    I still don't know what I can do and what I cannot do with it, but this
    is eanough to put up test-server and play around a bit.

    Timo Pietil

  10. #10
    craig wilson NNTP User

    Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

    Also try asking in some of the 6.5 forums, they may be able to tell you.
    Since I have never used that feature, I cant tell you much about it.

    Timo Pietil wrote:
    > Christian Vlker wrote:
    >> Yohoo!
    >>
    >>>> Where do I find documentation about this feature?
    >>> Nevermind, found that.

    >> Can you please tell us, where?

    >
    > It is in NW6.5 documentation. In "native file access" section to be
    > precise:
    >
    > http://www.novell.com/documentation/.../hz8pck9v.html
    >
    >
    > I still don't know what I can do and what I cannot do with it, but this
    > is eanough to put up test-server and play around a bit.
    >
    > Timo Pietil



    --
    Craig Wilson
    Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
    Master CNE, MCSE 2003, CCN

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