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  1. #1
    annie.allen@storageking.com NNTP User

    64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?

    Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??

    I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
    workstations to 64 bit versions of windows and cant because there is no
    novell client that works on it.

    Native file access is not an option...

    Client service for netware is not an option because MS has given up on
    Netware like most of the rest of the world (it is not included in the 64
    bit versions, and wont be in "vista" workstation or server).

    Please advise, this is frustrating.

  2. #2
    Rui NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    From what's been written in this newsgroup it seems that there won't be a
    Win64 Client. Novell is waiting for Vista to have any sort of 64bit client
    and that will be available 3 months after the release of Vista. Whenever
    that is!


    <annie.allen@storageking.com> wrote in message
    news:8VAog.11790$tN4.10189@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
    > When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?
    >
    > Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??
    >
    > I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
    > workstations to 64 bit versions of windows and cant because there is no
    > novell client that works on it.
    >
    > Native file access is not an option...
    >
    > Client service for netware is not an option because MS has given up on
    > Netware like most of the rest of the world (it is not included in the 64
    > bit versions, and wont be in "vista" workstation or server).
    >
    > Please advise, this is frustrating.




  3. #3
    Massimo Rosen NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    Hi,

    annie.allen@storageking.com wrote:
    >
    > When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?


    A while after Vista ships. There will not be a 64bit client for XP64.

    > Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??


    What you're referring to as been out for a couple of years is Windows
    for Itanium processors, which was a huge success (not), and doesn't
    exist anymore. XP64 is only out for a few months, and it too is a niche
    product for which Novell has decided to offer no support.

    > I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
    > workstations to 64 bit versions of windows


    Why?

    CU,
    --
    Massimo Rosen
    Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
    No emails please!
    http://www.cfc-it.de

  4. #4
    annie.allen@storageking.com NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    Windows 2003 server x64 (note: not IA64) was released in April of 2005
    (over a year ago)


    Windows XP professional x64 was released in April of 2005 (over a year ago)

    Both of these products were in Beta for some time, almost 2 years before
    official release. What is the excuse?

    Vista has no firm release date and you are saying Novell isnt even going to
    release a 64 bit client for Windows 2003 or XP? Windows 2003 revision 2 was
    released in late 2005, which makes it End of Life in 2015 if MS continues
    their current support paradigm. So you wont support an OS that is not EOL
    for 9.5 years?

    And if you want to connect to a Netware server from a Windows x64 machine
    you have to UPGRADE your OS?

    That is unacceptable. Please tell me you are joking.

    I cant be the only one that feels this way.

  5. #5
    Massimo Rosen NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    Hi,

    annie.allen@storageking.com wrote:
    > So you


    "You"? I'm not Novell, not even a Novell employee.


    > And if you want to connect to a Netware server from a Windows x64 machine
    > you have to UPGRADE your OS?


    If you want to do that with a Novell client, yes.

    > That is unacceptable.


    Call Novell and tell them.

    > Please tell me you are joking.


    No, I'm not.

    > I cant be the only one that feels this way.


    I for one happen to agree with Novells decision. XP64 is a very low
    volume niche product, and will be history very soon after Vista ships.
    Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
    strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
    Novell client on it. So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
    for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
    just not worth it. YMMV.

    CU,
    --
    Massimo Rosen
    Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
    No emails please!
    http://www.cfc-it.de

  6. #6
    jman55@usefulthings.org NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    > I for one happen to agree with Novells decision.

    Not surprising

    > Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
    > strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
    > Novell client on it.


    I just gave you an example, I happen to know a couple other people in the
    same boat. Anyone out there who uses Novell portal services and Citrix are
    basically screwed by this in one way or another.

    > So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
    > for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
    > just not worth it.


    Novell is no stranger to wasting money on stillborn or abandoned projects.
    Just ask all the people who bought into Branch Office and border manager.

  7. #7
    Massimo Rosen NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    Hi,

    jman55@usefulthings.org wrote:
    >
    > > I for one happen to agree with Novells decision.

    >
    > Not surprising


    Why?

    > > Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
    > > strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
    > > Novell client on it.

    >
    > I just gave you an example, I happen to know a couple other people in the
    > same boat. Anyone out there who uses Novell portal services and Citrix are
    > basically screwed by this in one way or another.


    Yes, I know (and Novell too) that there are customers that are affected
    by that decision. They *are* very few anyways, believe me. And the few
    customers I know personally that are affected by that decision
    definitely do *NOT* need a 64bit OS at all. They just want it because 64
    is a bigger number than 32.

    > > So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
    > > for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
    > > just not worth it.

    >
    > Novell is no stranger to wasting money on stillborn or abandoned projects.


    Agreed.

    > Just ask all the people who bought into Branch Office and border manager.


    Border Manager is a very bad example. It exists for over 10 years, is
    very successful, and still alive and kicking with at least one more
    version to come. NBO is a good one though, and I can come up with
    minimum a dozen more.

    CU,
    --
    Massimo Rosen
    Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
    No emails please!
    http://www.cfc-it.de

  8. #8
    Barry Schnur NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    > Windows XP professional x64 was released in April of 2005 (over a year ago)

    You might find it difficult to purchase systems from folks like Dell
    with XP 64 -- there is a reason for that.

    Regarding Vista -- my sense is that Novell sees that as the desktop
    direction for Microsoft (and NOT XP 64) and is allocating resources to
    support it with a client. A difficulty here is that the code from the
    Microsoft side is still at least somewhat in flux, and the history is
    that which 'fluxes' most is that which causes 3rd party folks the most
    duplication of effort.



    --
    Barry Schnur
    Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop

  9. #9
    Barry Schnur NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???


    > Native file access is not an option...


    Why is this not an option?


    --
    Barry Schnur
    Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop

  10. #10
    jman55@usefulthings.org NNTP User

    Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

    Things like this are going to cause us to hasten our migration away from
    Netware.

    I find it unacceptable too.

    We have a move afoot to move our citrix terminal servers to Windows 2003
    Server x64, which allows for 32 gigs of ram out of the box.

    Terminal servers need memory, they thrive on it.

    All of our other applications work on them, EXCEPT zenworks (for the DLU
    feature) and Client32.

    Since, for the moment anyway, we are a novell shop, and use NDS for
    authentication for all network resources, we have to keep our servers at 32
    bit windows.

    So basically because Novell chooses NOT to release a 64 bit capable client
    (and zenworks, but that is another story... we could live without it if
    need be) we will be instead moving to Active directory.

    The writing was on the wall, and we had been on the fence for a while, this
    was just the proverbial "straw the broke the camel's back" so to speak.

    Basically we are having to keep 2-3 times the number of Citrix servers in
    our farms because we cant use x64 windows 2003 server. That cost adds up.

    I dont care about xp64, but not having a client32 for windows 2003 server
    x64 is really a terrible decision, and will cost Novell even more
    customers. However, considering some of their bonehead moves the past 8-10
    years, this does not surprise me.


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