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  1. #1
    dataworks@onthecoast.com NNTP User

    NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    Does anyone know what this means specifically, "The rolling upgrade
    process allows both Netware 6 and Netware 6.5 cluster servers to coexist
    in the same cluster"? I have read this from page 21 of the OES NCS 1.8
    Admin guide.

    The reason why I ask is that we were sold two NCS 1.6 licenses a couple
    of years ago when a past consultation company tried to implement a 2-node
    cluster. So we in fact could have implemented a 4-node cluster knowing
    what we know now about the free 2-node license included in NW 6.0. We
    are buying two new servers which will run NW 6.5 on them and want to set
    them up for NCS. So can we use the free NW 6.5 2-node cluster licenses
    and one of the NCS 1.6 licenses we have already purchased to set up a 3
    node cluster?

  2. #2
    Marcel Cox NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    The mixed 6.0/6.5 cluster is intended as an upgrade path, not a
    production environment. The NetWare 6.0 and 6.5 nodes will talk to each
    other, but as soon as your NSS volumes are upgraded to 6.5 level, they
    will no longer run on 6.0 nodes. As such, you should not even think
    about implementing a mixed 6.0/6.5 cluster for production use. Instead,
    if you want to go for OES/6.5, plan enough OES/6.5 cluster licenses for
    NCS 1.8 and then upgrade all your cluster nodes to OES/6.5.

    --
    Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.17.5.9)

  3. #3
    dataworks@onthecoast.com NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    thank you for taking the time to give such a thorough response. It is much
    appreciated. Is it legal to sell our prior unused NCS 1.6 cluster
    licenses? I think we will sell them very reasonable and then purchase new
    1.8 licenses.

    > The mixed 6.0/6.5 cluster is intended as an upgrade path, not a
    > production environment. The NetWare 6.0 and 6.5 nodes will talk to each
    > other, but as soon as your NSS volumes are upgraded to 6.5 level, they
    > will no longer run on 6.0 nodes. As such, you should not even think
    > about implementing a mixed 6.0/6.5 cluster for production use. Instead,
    > if you want to go for OES/6.5, plan enough OES/6.5 cluster licenses for
    > NCS 1.8 and then upgrade all your cluster nodes to OES/6.5.
    >
    > --
    > Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.17.5.9)



  4. #4
    Marcel Cox NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    License transfer is very difficult as Novell doesn't really want end
    users to sell their licenses to other people. Also, the liense transfer
    rules may vary between countries because of local legislation making
    some Novell restrictions not applicable.
    The official statement from Novell can be found here:

    http://www.novell.com/info/forms/lictran.pdf

    However if you plane to go to NCS 1.8 anyway, why not simply upgrade
    your 1.6 license to 1.8 licenses? Novell sells official upgrade
    licenses.

    --
    Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.17.5.9)

  5. #5
    Tim Heywood (NSC SYSOP) NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    Just to confirm, an upgrade license from NCS1.6 to NCS1.8 is about 50%
    of the cost of a new license.


    On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:49:30 GMT, "Marcel Cox" <cimetmc@myrealbox.com>
    wrote:

    > Novell sells official upgrade
    >licenses.


    Tim
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  6. #6
    dataworks@onthecoast.com NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    That is good to know. I will be sure to ask for this. Your suggestion
    is appreciated. My next step is to check out some pricing for the
    upgrade. The last price I stumbled on to was just under 3K per license.
    Does that sound like MSRP for a full license or an upgrade?

    > Just to confirm, an upgrade license from NCS1.6 to NCS1.8 is about 50%
    > of the cost of a new license.
    >
    >
    > On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:49:30 GMT, "Marcel Cox" <cimetmc@myrealbox.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Novell sells official upgrade
    > >licenses.

    >
    > Tim
    > ___________________
    > Tim Heywood (SYSOP)
    > NDS8
    > Scotland
    > (God's Country)
    > www.nds8.co.uk
    > ___________________
    >
    > http://support.novell.com/forums/
    >
    > In theory, practice and theory are the same
    > In Practice, they are different



  7. #7
    Marcel Cox NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    dataworks@onthecoast.com wrote:

    > The last price I stumbled on to was just under 3K per license.
    > Does that sound like MSRP for a full license or an upgrade?


    You can find price lists here:

    http://www.novell.com/licensing/price.html

    The official price for an 1.7 or OES cluster license is $5000 and the
    upgrade price is $2650
    The actual price you get might be a bit lower depending on your
    reseller and if you benefit from any kind of volume licensing discount.

    --
    Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.17.5.9)

  8. #8
    Tim Heywood (NSC SYSOP) NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:52:42 GMT, dataworks@onthecoast.com wrote:

    >That is good to know. I will be sure to ask for this. Your suggestion
    >is appreciated. My next step is to check out some pricing for the
    >upgrade. The last price I stumbled on to was just under 3K per license.
    >Does that sound like MSRP for a full license or an upgrade?



    In Stirling that would sound like a full license.

    http://www.novell.com/licensing/price.html give the list prices.
    Depending upon the basis of your contract with Novell (CLA or VLA)
    then you should see a discount. You should generally see something
    like 15% or so, however that is dependant upon who you purchase from.


    Tim
    ___________________
    Tim Heywood (SYSOP)
    NDS8
    Scotland
    (God's Country)
    www.nds8.co.uk
    ___________________

    http://support.novell.com/forums/

    In theory, practice and theory are the same
    In Practice, they are different

  9. #9
    dataworks@onthecoast.com NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    > dataworks@onthecoast.com wrote:
    >
    > > The last price I stumbled on to was just under 3K per license.
    > > Does that sound like MSRP for a full license or an upgrade?

    >
    > You can find price lists here:
    >
    > http://www.novell.com/licensing/price.html
    >
    > The official price for an 1.7 or OES cluster license is $5000 and the
    > upgrade price is $2650
    > The actual price you get might be a bit lower depending on your
    > reseller and if you benefit from any kind of volume licensing discount.
    >
    > --
    > Marcel Cox (using XanaNews 1.17.5.9)


    Thanks Marcel! The price that I was quoted sound most definitely like
    the proper upgrade price. I appreciate you sharing the link.

  10. #10
    dataworks@onthecoast.com NNTP User

    Re: NW 6,0 NCS licenses coexisting with NW 6.5 NCS licenses

    Perhaps I should fly over and see God's country and pick up a couple of
    upgrades while I am over there! Good Day to you!

    Dataworks

    > On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:52:42 GMT, dataworks@onthecoast.com wrote:
    >
    > >That is good to know. I will be sure to ask for this. Your

    suggestion
    > >is appreciated. My next step is to check out some pricing for the
    > >upgrade. The last price I stumbled on to was just under 3K per

    license.
    > >Does that sound like MSRP for a full license or an upgrade?

    >
    >
    > In Stirling that would sound like a full license.
    >
    > http://www.novell.com/licensing/price.html give the list prices.
    > Depending upon the basis of your contract with Novell (CLA or VLA)
    > then you should see a discount. You should generally see something
    > like 15% or so, however that is dependant upon who you purchase from.
    >
    >
    > Tim
    > ___________________
    > Tim Heywood (SYSOP)
    > NDS8
    > Scotland
    > (God's Country)
    > www.nds8.co.uk
    > ___________________
    >
    > http://support.novell.com/forums/
    >
    > In theory, practice and theory are the same
    > In Practice, they are different



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