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  1. #1
    Craig NNTP User

    Big, fast storage server

    What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)






  2. #2
    Chris Cox NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
    > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)


    Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.

    We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
    42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!

    We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
    from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
    bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
    2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
    No benchies yet.

    Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.

    RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
    In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
    RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
    inherent to SCSI and SAS)

    However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
    and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
    outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
    holds 12 drives, maybe not.

    Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
    http://www.condorstorage.com
    Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
    off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
    the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.

    We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
    at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
    right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).






  3. #3
    Craig NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    Thanks!
    "Chris Cox" <notccox@notairmail.net> wrote in message
    news:1212705792.4766.39.camel@behemoth.csg.stercom m.com...
    > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
    >> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get
    >> rid
    >> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like
    >> an
    >> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)

    >
    > Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.
    >
    > We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
    > 42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!
    >
    > We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
    > from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
    > bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
    > 2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
    > No benchies yet.
    >
    > Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.
    >
    > RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
    > In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
    > RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
    > inherent to SCSI and SAS)
    >
    > However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
    > and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
    > outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
    > holds 12 drives, maybe not.
    >
    > Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
    > http://www.condorstorage.com
    > Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
    > off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
    > the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.
    >
    > We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
    > at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
    > right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




  4. #4
    Craig NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    HP says that the 60 does RAID
    "Chris Cox" <notccox@notairmail.net> wrote in message
    news:1212705792.4766.39.camel@behemoth.csg.stercom m.com...
    > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
    >> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get
    >> rid
    >> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like
    >> an
    >> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)

    >
    > Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.
    >
    > We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
    > 42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!
    >
    > We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
    > from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
    > bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
    > 2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
    > No benchies yet.
    >
    > Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.
    >
    > RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
    > In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
    > RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
    > inherent to SCSI and SAS)
    >
    > However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
    > and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
    > outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
    > holds 12 drives, maybe not.
    >
    > Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
    > http://www.condorstorage.com
    > Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
    > off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
    > the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.
    >
    > We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
    > at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
    > right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Joseph Marton NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    Craig wrote:

    > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)


    Well, it's not exactly big, but we're in the middle of implementing an
    MSA 2212fc for our VMWare environment. I've got most of the VMs moved
    over to it at this point, and others I'm moving as I type this post.

    If you go SAS, the thing is capable of up to about 14TB of raw storage
    (48 x 300GB). If you go SATA, it's capable of up to about 36TB of raw
    storage (48 x 750GB). Or you can mix 'n' match.

    We're all SAS right now with just one enclosure, but at some point we'll
    be adding a second enclosure and using SATA in that one.

    --
    Joe
    "Those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us
    who do."

  6. #6
    Chris Cox NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    Craig wrote:
    > HP says that the 60 does RAID


    Need to be careful. HP probably means with a RAID
    HBA. Not that that is bad... it's just not
    a standalone RAID subsystem (AFAIK).

  7. #7
    KittyNoLegs NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
    spam.novoco.com says...
    > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


    There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
    name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
    now that Dell bought them.

    It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
    name).

  8. #8
    Andrew Z Carpenter NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    > "KittyNoLegs" <kittnolegs@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.22b309997278739f989e31@forums.novell.com. ..
    >
    > There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
    > name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
    > now that Dell bought them.
    >
    > It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
    > name).




    EMC?



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  9. #9
    vicofborg NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    KittyNoLegs <kittnolegs@gmail.com> expounded:
    > In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
    > spam.novoco.com says...
    > > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    > > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    > > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >


    > There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
    > name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
    > now that Dell bought them.


    > It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
    > name).


    EquiLogic.

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  10. #10
    KittyNoLegs NNTP User

    Re: Big, fast storage server

    In article <nIe2k.1856$Ps.1601@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
    vicofborg@myrealbox.com says...
    > KittyNoLegs <kittnolegs@gmail.com> expounded:
    > > In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
    > > spam.novoco.com says...
    > > > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
    > > > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
    > > > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    > > There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
    > > name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
    > > now that Dell bought them.

    >
    > > It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
    > > name).

    >
    > EquiLogic.
    >
    >


    Yes, that's the one.

    Thanks!

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