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    Admin Tools/Windows 7

    Does Novell have any plans as far as getting a unified admin tool working on Windows 7? I have been unable to get ConsoleOne working with the GW snapins on Windows 7. Version checking for the Novell Client steps in the way, (it doesn't like Novell Client 2) and even when I try the registry hacks that are listed, the GW snapins don't work. At this point I have to run another XP virtual machine to get it to work. I have yet to try Virtual XP Mode on Win7 Pro.

    Has anyone had any luck at all getting C1 to work w/ Snapins under Win 7?

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    timpani wrote:

    >
    > Does Novell have any plans as far as getting a unified admin tool
    > working on Windows 7? I have been unable to get ConsoleOne working
    > with the GW snapins on Windows 7. Version checking for the Novell
    > Client steps in the way, (it doesn't like Novell Client 2) and even
    > when I try the registry hacks that are listed, the GW snapins don't
    > work. At this point I have to run another XP virtual machine to get
    > it to work. I have yet to try Virtual XP Mode on Win7 Pro.
    >
    > Has anyone had any luck at all getting C1 to work w/ Snapins under Win
    > 7?


    let me ask

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:16:02 +0000, timpani wrote:

    > Does Novell have any plans as far as getting a unified admin tool
    > working on Windows 7?


    That'd be iManager, with the exception of GroupWise, I believe.


    > I have been unable to get ConsoleOne working with
    > the GW snapins on Windows 7.


    What version of GroupWise?


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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    Edward van der Maas wrote:

    > timpani wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Does Novell have any plans as far as getting a unified admin tool
    > > working on Windows 7? I have been unable to get ConsoleOne working
    > > with the GW snapins on Windows 7. Version checking for the Novell
    > > Client steps in the way, (it doesn't like Novell Client 2) and even
    > > when I try the registry hacks that are listed, the GW snapins don't
    > > work. At this point I have to run another XP virtual machine to get
    > > it to work. I have yet to try Virtual XP Mode on Win7 Pro.
    > >
    > > Has anyone had any luck at all getting C1 to work w/ Snapins under
    > > Win 7?

    >
    > let me ask


    I got this back:

    He will have to get the C1 version that ships with GW801 (just posted
    to the download page today) and use those snapins and then he should be
    fine.

    There are only two issues that we are aware of and they should be
    outlined in the Readme:

    1. If the GW client is not installed on the Win7 box, C1 complains
    about 3 missing files. I can't recall what they are off the top of
    my head but installing the Win client resolves that issue.

    2. You MUST have the Novell Client 2 for Vista IR1 installed or some
    object will not be shown in C1. If the customer has downloaded it
    before it was pulled, it should be fine to run on the Win7 box. The
    replacement IR1 client is due any day.

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    Edward

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    We're running GW 7.0.3.

    It's just frustrating because you should be able to manage most everything else through a combo of iManager and Remote Manager. It makes no sense to me that we are still forced to use a relatively unsupported tool like ConsoleOne, when I remember hearing years ago that Novell was pushing to move away from this tool and make most admin tasks browser based.

    I even ran into a situation a couple of weeks ago when we needed to move our SLPDA from one server to another, and the TID for this procedure listed NetWare Administrator as the only tool to accomplish this. (ConsoleOne didn't have the tabs/functionality that NWAdmin had for this task.) This TID listed NW 6.0 and 6.5 as the environment for this. Come on, Novell, how old is NWAdmin now? I find it incomprehensible that Novell has locked us into using this many tools to administer one network, especially tools that are extremely old and no longer supported.

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:36:02 +0000, timpani wrote:

    > We're running GW 7.0.3.


    Well, that is part of your problem. GW8 is out. They just shipped an
    update to it. If you're going to run a modern workstation OS, you kinda
    need to run modern applications with it. Or, if you're going to stick to
    the old applications, stick to the old OS that supports it.


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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    I understand your point of view, however many organizations out there, including mine do not have the budget/manpower to do a major app upgrade for over 5,000 users that involves not only training for new admins, but end users as well. The choice to upgrade isn't mine to make. We've done our best to convert as many of our NetWare boxes as we can to either OES Linux or Windows, but sometimes you can't just pick up and upgrade an enterprise wide app for that many users that easily. We're running the last major release before GW8, which Novell still supports. I'm sure that Novell has plenty of customers out there that are as yet unable/unwilling to upgrade. Just because version 8 is out doesn't mean an organization is going to automatically upgrade.

    The last time I checked, XP still has the largest install base out there. NWAdmin goes back even further than that, and if I remember correctly, Novell was touting years ago that they were going to be moving away from C1 to web based admin tools. Part of the whole OneNet thing. That never happened, and we're still stuck using old tools. According to the posts I'm seeing in this thread, GW8 still uses ConsoleOne as a management interface, so it's hardly what I'd call "modern."

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:26:02 +0000, timpani wrote:

    > I understand your point of view, however many organizations out there,
    > including mine do not have the budget/manpower to do a major app upgrade
    > for over 5,000 users that involves not only training for new admins, but
    > end users as well.


    Where I work, we have around 15K users in GroupWise. We're still on GW7
    as well. It's not that I don't understand the pain of upgrades, but you
    have to cut Novell *some* slack here. The C1 snapins to manage GW7 are
    how many years old? That they don't work on Win7, which isn't even
    released yet, isn't really all that surprising.


    > enterprise wide app for that many users that easily. We're running the
    > last major release before GW8, which Novell still supports. I'm sure
    > that Novell has plenty of customers out there that are as yet
    > unable/unwilling to upgrade. Just because version 8 is out doesn't mean
    > an organization is going to automatically upgrade.
    >
    > The last time I checked, XP still has the largest install base out
    > there.


    Exactly. And the C1 snapins for managing GW7 work fine on XP. If you need
    to manage GW7, you're going to have to use XP for now.


    > NWAdmin goes back even further than that, and if I remember
    > correctly, Novell was touting years ago that they were going to be
    > moving away from C1 to web based admin tools. Part of the whole OneNet
    > thing.


    Yep. I've been here since the days of syscon. I won't defend the lack of
    followthrough on the whole "move away from ConsoleOne" thing at all.


    > According to the posts I'm seeing in this thread, GW8 still uses
    > ConsoleOne as a management interface, so it's hardly what I'd call
    > "modern."


    It does, yes. And no, I don't understand that either, but that's for the
    GroupWise product manager to answer.


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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    David,

    David Gersic wrote:
    >
    > It does, yes. And no, I don't understand that either, but that's for the
    > GroupWise product manager to answer.


    Disagree. It's for whoever to answer that made the iManager decision
    without checking the technical possibilities. There are technical
    reasons why neither Zenworks nor Groupwise ever made it into iManager,
    simply because it's technically close to impossible without major
    rewrite of the whole product. The iManger decision was forced onto the
    product teams without hearing them.

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    Re: Admin Tools/Windows 7

    On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:57:43 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:

    > David,
    >
    > David Gersic wrote:
    >>
    >> It does, yes. And no, I don't understand that either, but that's for
    >> the GroupWise product manager to answer.

    >
    > Disagree. It's for whoever to answer that made the iManager decision
    > without checking the technical possibilities.


    As far as I know, he's no longer with Novell.


    > There are technical
    > reasons why neither Zenworks nor Groupwise ever made it into iManager,
    > simply because it's technically close to impossible without major
    > rewrite of the whole product. The iManger decision was forced onto the
    > product teams without hearing them.


    I understand the difficulty. But if it's going to require a major
    rewrite, then somebody had better get busy with the rewrite if they don't
    want to have to keep supporting ConsoleOne forever. I'm not saying I like
    the decision, or even agree with it, but they decided to let ConsoleOne
    whither and die.


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