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  1. #1
    Craig NNTP User

    H1N1

    So, really....H1N1 IS different.

    The CDC says that this mutation has been affecting children and young
    adults, like the Pandemic of 1918

    http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm

    Elderly have been less affected. The stronger the immune system, the more
    like you will have a cytokine storm.

    The pandemic of 1918 was H1N1, which is an entirely different flu germ.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

    http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

    "In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was
    on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies
    closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men
    lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed
    could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted
    that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season,
    however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge
    ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu
    was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was
    unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young
    children."



  2. #2
    Matthew NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    Something I'm curious about is the living conditions of people hardest
    hit. If you look at history it seems that plagues and such spread at the
    worst when living conditions where very poor.

  3. #3
    Donald Albury NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:31:05 GMT, Matthew <systemRemovEtyrant@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    >Something I'm curious about is the living conditions of people hardest
    >hit. If you look at history it seems that plagues and such spread at the
    >worst when living conditions where very poor.


    Well, bubonic plague is spread by fleas from rats, typhus by body lice, and
    typhoiid fever and cholera by contaminated water, so yeah, those are
    associated with unclean and/or disrupted living conditions. Flu, like
    measles, is spread by direct contact between humans or with aerosolized
    virus, and is not dependent on unclean conditions. So, keeping your house
    clean will not prevent you from catching the flu. Crowded living
    conditions, on the other hand, certainly promote the spread of flu, so the
    best prevention is to stay as far away from other people as you can (in
    other words, be a hermit).

    Donald Albury

  4. #4
    Craig NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    and avoid world wars!
    "Donald Albury" <dalbury0978@not.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    news:3715b51ahadjkg55dn3uoln4l2mrkkhsmm@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:31:05 GMT, Matthew <systemRemovEtyrant@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Something I'm curious about is the living conditions of people hardest
    >>hit. If you look at history it seems that plagues and such spread at the
    >>worst when living conditions where very poor.

    >
    > Well, bubonic plague is spread by fleas from rats, typhus by body lice,
    > and
    > typhoiid fever and cholera by contaminated water, so yeah, those are
    > associated with unclean and/or disrupted living conditions. Flu, like
    > measles, is spread by direct contact between humans or with aerosolized
    > virus, and is not dependent on unclean conditions. So, keeping your house
    > clean will not prevent you from catching the flu. Crowded living
    > conditions, on the other hand, certainly promote the spread of flu, so the
    > best prevention is to stay as far away from other people as you can (in
    > other words, be a hermit).
    >
    > Donald Albury




  5. #5
    Donald Albury NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:56:13 GMT, "Craig" <ElRushbo@eibnet.com> wrote:

    >and avoid world wars!


    The military certain knows how to crowd people together. Probably the worst
    place to be in a flu epidemic is a school dormitory, military barracks,
    prison or other institution.

    Donald Albury

  6. #6
    Keith V. Klenke NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    So this kind of goes back to my rant about people totally refusing to wash
    their hands after using the bathroom (or probably anything else for that
    matter....). Unclean people...ugh....

    btw, why is it when I see H1N1, I keep thinking H1B?

    "Donald Albury" <dalbury0978@not.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    news:3715b51ahadjkg55dn3uoln4l2mrkkhsmm@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:31:05 GMT, Matthew <systemRemovEtyrant@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Something I'm curious about is the living conditions of people hardest
    >>hit. If you look at history it seems that plagues and such spread at the
    >>worst when living conditions where very poor.

    >
    > Well, bubonic plague is spread by fleas from rats, typhus by body lice,
    > and
    > typhoiid fever and cholera by contaminated water, so yeah, those are
    > associated with unclean and/or disrupted living conditions. Flu, like
    > measles, is spread by direct contact between humans or with aerosolized
    > virus, and is not dependent on unclean conditions. So, keeping your house
    > clean will not prevent you from catching the flu. Crowded living
    > conditions, on the other hand, certainly promote the spread of flu, so the
    > best prevention is to stay as far away from other people as you can (in
    > other words, be a hermit).
    >
    > Donald Albury
    >


  7. #7
    Donald Albury NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:07:49 GMT, "Keith V. Klenke" <abendorg@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    >So this kind of goes back to my rant about people totally refusing to wash
    >their hands after using the bathroom (or probably anything else for that
    >matter....). Unclean people...ugh....


    You can catch the flu by breathing the air around contagious people. It
    doesn't matter whether they have washed their hands, they're coughing and
    sneezing the virus into the air you breathe. Covering your mouth and nose
    when you cough or sneeze helps, but can't stop all of the virus, and if you
    use your hands to cover your mouth and nose, even using a handkechef or
    tissue, then the virus gets on your hands, and it is usually highly
    inconvenient, it not impossible, to wash yours hands after every time you
    cough or sneeze. A person coming down with the flu is typically contagious
    from the day before they show any symptons. The latest news is that while
    most types of flu are contagious only as long as the victim runs a fever,
    H1N1 appears to remain contagious for about a week after the fever is gone.

    Oh, and the handkerchef/tissue thing. The Japanese think we Westerners are
    unsanitary because we use handkerchefs to cover coughs and sneezes and wipe
    our noses, and then put those snot-laden pieces of cloth back into our
    pockets and/or purses. They feel that it is much more sanitary to use a
    piece of tissue and then immediately throw it away. Of course, neither
    cloth nor tissue is a complete barrier to germs. It has been found that
    bacteria can travel though eight layers of toilet tissue in less than a
    second. So it is back to, whether you use a cloth handkerchef or disposable
    tissue, you still would need to wash your hands every time you get them
    near your nose or mouth.

    Donald Albury

  8. #8
    Lance Reynolds NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    All the more reason to cough or sneeze into your shirt sleeve.

  9. #9
    Craig NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    Actually, smart people cough into their neighbor's sleeve.


    "Lance Reynolds" <lanceNO@SPAMsatco.biz> wrote in message
    news:nyMsm.10540$7G7.268@kovat.provo.novell.com...
    > All the more reason to cough or sneeze into your shirt sleeve.




  10. #10
    Donald Albury NNTP User

    Re: H1N1

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:25:59 GMT, "Craig" <ElRushbo@eibnet.com> wrote:

    >Actually, smart people cough into their neighbor's sleeve.


    My neighbors won't let me get that close. (Well, maybe the widow across the
    street would, but I don't want to go there.)

    Donald Albury

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