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    device shutdown no user logged in

    I have been looking for the solution to what should be a simple procedure, but I have yet to find it.

    Using ZCM11 on SLES server. I want to shutdown WinXP SP3 machines down at a set time each evening. I have tried a bundle with a Shutdown action. I have tried a bundle to launch the shutdown.exe /s command. My issue is that if a user is logged in, the machine will shutdown. If no user is logged in, the machine will sit until a user does log in, then the machine shuts down.

    I tried enabling the CTRL-ALT-DEL policy, no go.

    I really don't understand. Zen for Desktops 7 worked beautifully for this. What is different in ZCM11? Why does the logged-in or not logged-in user make any difference?

    Can someone help?

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Quote Originally Posted by rgrundma View Post
    I have been looking for the solution to what should be a simple procedure, but I have yet to find it.

    Using ZCM11 on SLES server. I want to shutdown WinXP SP3 machines down at a set time each evening. I have tried a bundle with a Shutdown action. I have tried a bundle to launch the shutdown.exe /s command. My issue is that if a user is logged in, the machine will shutdown. If no user is logged in, the machine will sit until a user does log in, then the machine shuts down.

    I tried enabling the CTRL-ALT-DEL policy, no go.

    I really don't understand. Zen for Desktops 7 worked beautifully for this. What is different in ZCM11? Why does the logged-in or not logged-in user make any difference?

    Can someone help?
    And your bundle is assigned to device? Does the bundle launch as user or system or what?

    Thomas

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Quote Originally Posted by thsundel View Post
    And your bundle is assigned to device? Does the bundle launch as user or system or what?

    Thomas
    I assigned the bundle to a device group, consisting of 4 workstations. I don't know how to tell if a bundle launches as a user or system.

    I did some further experimenting. I had 2 stations set to disable the CTRl-ALT-DEL policy. I read about this in other forum posts. 2 stations had the policy enabled. No users were logged in. The bundle kicked in before the screensavers could start, and all the machines shutdown!

    It seems that the problem lies in the fact that no user is logged in and the screensaver has started. I suppose I could disable the screensaver, but we are trying to reduce energy costs as much as possible.

    Any thoughts?

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Quote Originally Posted by rgrundma View Post
    I assigned the bundle to a device group, consisting of 4 workstations. I don't know how to tell if a bundle launches as a user or system.

    I did some further experimenting. I had 2 stations set to disable the CTRl-ALT-DEL policy. I read about this in other forum posts. 2 stations had the policy enabled. No users were logged in. The bundle kicked in before the screensavers could start, and all the machines shutdown!

    It seems that the problem lies in the fact that no user is logged in and the screensaver has started. I suppose I could disable the screensaver, but we are trying to reduce energy costs as much as possible.

    Any thoughts?
    This information might be of interest: Deployment will not reboot XP workstation at logon prompt if screensaver is running

    Thomas

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Thsundel,

    good TID, that one

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Although one would think if that were the case, it would have affected ZFD as well and not just ZCM

    In *my* experience, we have the same problem with ZFD/XP and of course, MS limits my choices as to how to fix it. (basically don't password-protect your computer if you're not there and don't do a CTRL-ALT-DEL which is how we display our security message).

    ffffttt

    on Microsoft, I say

    Of course, when we get to Windows 7, we'll not have the ability to display the security message anymore via the Novell Client (at least not that I'm aware)

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    What I have found is the issue is really the ScreenSaver Settings for
    the Not-Logged-On User. So your logged on users can have screen savers.
    The Reg Below will clear out the settings for the Not-Logged-On Files.
    In fact, I think that removing just the "ScreenSaverIsSecure" will
    resolve the issue. Since there is not any password when nobody is
    logged on, that key has no real function so removing just that is a good
    place to start. If removing the one key is not enough, do both.


    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    -------------------------------------
    [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Desktop]
    "SCRNSAVE.EXE"=-
    "ScreenSaverIsSecure"=-



    On 9/9/2011 3:16 PM, kjhurni wrote:
    >
    > Although one would think if that were the case, it would have affected
    > ZFD as well and not just ZCM
    >
    > In *my* experience, we have the same problem with ZFD/XP and of course,
    > MS limits my choices as to how to fix it. (basically don't
    > password-protect your computer if you're not there and don't do a
    > CTRL-ALT-DEL which is how we display our security message).
    >
    > ffffttt
    >
    > on Microsoft, I say
    >
    > Of course, when we get to Windows 7, we'll not have the ability to
    > display the security message anymore via the Novell Client (at least not
    > that I'm aware)
    >
    > But maybe I'll win the lotto by then.
    >
    >



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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    [QUOTE=craig_wilson;2136085]What I have found is the issue is really the ScreenSaver Settings for
    the Not-Logged-On User. So your logged on users can have screen savers.
    The Reg Below will clear out the settings for the Not-Logged-On Files.
    In fact, I think that removing just the "ScreenSaverIsSecure" will
    resolve the issue. Since there is not any password when nobody is
    logged on, that key has no real function so removing just that is a good
    place to start. If removing the one key is not enough, do both.


    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    -------------------------------------
    [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Desktop]
    "SCRNSAVE.EXE"=-
    "ScreenSaverIsSecure"=-



    This reg setting did the trick. Machines shut down with no problem. Thanks very much. One interesting occurrence, however. They all turned back on approximately 15 minutes later! I do have a Wake-On-LAN bundle for these machines, but it is set to distribute and launch at 7:00 AM, not the 4:00 PM time when machines shutdown.

    Oh well, one issue at a time, I guess.

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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Good to hear.
    Also let me clarify for some lurkers on the thread.

    The Keys below do not impact any users who logon to the device nor does
    it impact the profiles of newly created users. The portion of the
    registry is used by Windows for the "User" when Nobody is logged onto
    the PC. Settings value under \.DEFAULT\ is what is Windows uses while
    sitting at the Ctrl-Alt-Del Screen.

    To Modify Default Profile for new users, the User.DAT file needs to be
    loaded and modified from the "default" user profile in the profiles
    directory.

    On 9/13/2011 8:26 AM, rgrundma wrote:
    >
    > craig_wilson;2136085 Wrote:
    >> What I have found is the issue is really the ScreenSaver Settings for
    >> the Not-Logged-On User. So your logged on users can have screen
    >> savers.
    >> The Reg Below will clear out the settings for the Not-Logged-On Files.
    >> In fact, I think that removing just the "ScreenSaverIsSecure" will
    >> resolve the issue. Since there is not any password when nobody is
    >> logged on, that key has no real function so removing just that is a
    >> good
    >> place to start. If removing the one key is not enough, do both.
    >>
    >>
    >> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    >> -------------------------------------
    >> [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Desktop]
    >> "SCRNSAVE.EXE"=-
    >> "ScreenSaverIsSecure"=-
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> This reg setting did the trick. Machines shut down with no problem.
    >> Thanks very much. One interesting occurrence, however. They all turned
    >> back on approximately 15 minutes later! I do have a Wake-On-LAN bundle
    >> for these machines, but it is set to distribute and launch at 7:00 AM,
    >> not the 4:00 PM time when machines shutdown.
    >>
    >> Oh well, one issue at a time, I guess.

    >
    >



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    Re: device shutdown no user logged in

    Quote Originally Posted by craig_wilson View Post
    What I have found is the issue is really the ScreenSaver Settings for
    the Not-Logged-On User. So your logged on users can have screen savers.
    The Reg Below will clear out the settings for the Not-Logged-On Files.
    In fact, I think that removing just the "ScreenSaverIsSecure" will
    resolve the issue. Since there is not any password when nobody is
    logged on, that key has no real function so removing just that is a good
    place to start. If removing the one key is not enough, do both.


    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    -------------------------------------
    [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Desktop]
    "SCRNSAVE.EXE"=-
    "ScreenSaverIsSecure"=-



    On 9/9/2011 3:16 PM, kjhurni wrote:
    >
    > Although one would think if that were the case, it would have affected
    > ZFD as well and not just ZCM
    >
    > In *my* experience, we have the same problem with ZFD/XP and of course,
    > MS limits my choices as to how to fix it. (basically don't
    > password-protect your computer if you're not there and don't do a
    > CTRL-ALT-DEL which is how we display our security message).
    >
    > ffffttt
    >
    > on Microsoft, I say
    >
    > Of course, when we get to Windows 7, we'll not have the ability to
    > display the security message anymore via the Novell Client (at least not
    > that I'm aware)
    >
    > But maybe I'll win the lotto by then.
    >
    >



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    Thank you Craig, I will give it a try.
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